The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. ―Erwin Schrödinger The perception of any phenomenon necessarily entails having made sense of an impression in light of its correlative idea(l)(s). These impressions can be sensory or non-sensory, but irrespective of the channels by which we encounter them, they will always require some cognitive activity on our part if they are to be perceived. Aristotle and the Scholastic philosophers identified this epistemological complementarity under the rubric of matter (ΰλη,
'In traditional iconic language, these aspects were conceived as “Heaven” and “Earth,” respectively.'
This is the first time I'd seen the Star of David as a cognitive quality: the hierogamy of Heaven and Earth. Well, that one passing remark is going to take some time to do its work! That to see and recognize is itself a union of concept and percept, of heaven and earth, of the spiritual and the sensual... A lot to consider here. I simply hadn't seen it in that might before. I probably should have but simply never did.
Well, I mean, it is going to be what it is in you perception, no doubt. For example, take biodynamics, which is a heaven to earthly engagement for the good of the earth. A perfect example of the six-pointed star, i.e., Star of David as two intersecting triangles. Future Philadelphia working as we speak. Yet, have confidence for it. I'm sure you do.
Jacob Boehme, the mystical shoemaker from Gorlitz, had a seminal experience of this type in the year 1600. While sitting at his kitchen table, around noon, the rays of the Sun glanced off a pewter dish right into his eye, and he experienced the entire "downward-tending generation of the trinity" in a mere fifteen minutes. From Ungrund to Grund; subject-object distinctions. This can be an experience for Initiates, and I doubt anyone denies that Jacob Boehme was hugely influential at the outset of the 17th century.
As we come now to more modern times, this experience occurs in early childhood. I can personally attest to that, and why I can add something to this discussion. Thus, it is fair and accurate to call it the experience of "Heaven and Earth", or the Son of God/Son of Man dichotomy.
In truth, it is about the bending of Light over the course of time since birth. The accommodation required for the inception of the earthly forces of mass, weight, gravity, heat, etc., make demands on Light, which begins to bend, or diffract, from its original diffusive state. Thus, Light reaches a kind of limit, called Resistance. Self-recognition begins. The Child of Humanity begins with a memory record.
Hmmmm. The Helen Keller quotes are hard to understand but it seems she was able however rudimentarily, to distinguish herself from what she was feeling- hot, cold, wet, hungry etc etc. It appears she also remembers that she was able to discern she herself was separate from the infect she wanted, in other words she was not warmth or the heat. I think early childhood studies are fascinating but the main focus seems to be on adults being able to direct and focus their thoughts today, yes? I do agree that there is clearly a battle being waged for our mind and our attention but I would hesitate to say we are losing the ability as to my way of thinking humanity could not be said to have the gift of free will unless it has the ability to also use that gift. Am I making sense? Sorry, obviously this is a perfect example here of some being given a larger portion of intellect than others but back to what I was trying to bring out that unless you can access and actually use the gift it can not be said to have been actually given. I don’t know a little shaky but let me explain how one of my earlier Pastors illustrated the gift of salvation - God hands it to you, unless you take it and receive it and live in it and believe it etc etc you do not have it. So to use that example then it seems to me that if God knows you are unable - totally different than not willing - if God knows you can not possibly grasp His hand to receive the gift He also knows He can’t then give it to you. If my child can’t swallow what is the point of putting food in their mouth ? They will only choke. Is that maybe what is meant by in the end sending them strong delusion. Okay enough for now going to get ready for Vespers. But really to truly be said to have free will must also be to have the ability to exercise it always
thank you, Holly. I'd like to think about what you wrote. Do you think ableness and willingness are the same then, or even that it is impossible for us to be unwilling, from God's perspective?
No I don’t think ableness and willingness are the same thing for example a child is very willing to walk be us unable until they have sufficient motor coordination. I am not sure about the second idea you mention is it impossible for us to be unwilling from God’s perspective. Mainly because it is impossible for me to have a complete understanding of God’s perspective. But perhaps using that same example of the child walking for the father to buy him a pair of cowboy boots( 🤠 I am in Texas after all! 😊) and give them to the child as a gift does imply that the Father is sure the child will one day walk. Perhaps we have been created with the potential to be willing and at some point either in time or outside of time Christ will complete His work in us and all Creation ….
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile!” 48 Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” 49 Nathanael answered Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel.” 50 Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.” John 1
What a beautiful way to show appreciation, Cheryl. It is an art form, driven by Grace, which Max also conveys very well. We are in a position today to drive the center to fruition. This is the true oath of so-called, "Heart-Thinking". I know that *systematic adduction* sounds cold, but in reality, it is very warm. Opportunities abound when we expand the knowledge base. "Everything that rises must converge" - Flannery O'Connor.
It's sounds confusing now. Probably "the Garden," then "Exile," and finally, the promise of "the Heavenly City" is a better schema. Heaven and Earth seems to be synchronic and doesn't capture the diachronic dimensions of biography and civilization.
13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13
What I am trying to do is draw attention to the Son of God and Son of Man dichotomy conveyed at the very outset of the Gospel of John. Chapter 1 ends with Nathanael, who has definite reservations about, "can anything good come from Nazareth". Christ tells him what he can expect. In chapter 2, we have the Mother of Jesus at the wedding, with the Love gift of the wine at the marriage ceremony. Christ says to her, "all right, I'll do it, but My Time has not yet come." Her Faith in saying, "whatever He says to do, do it", was 95% of the miracle.
Is birth in the world not the miracle of miracles? Son of God and Son of Man encompasses Heaven and Earth through the tunnel of Love. It forms the fundamental dichotomy in life.
Grail Arts had asked about methodology somewhere awhile ago. These threads don't stack up very well when they get long. "LSD" was how I came to formulate the chapter on Etheric Regeneration. The inner frictional fire created by long-slow-distance running started in 1981 by the urging of an inner voice. The voice said: "Just Do It".
“Two periods of development, each very different from the other, are apparent in human life between birth and death in every incarnation. In various ways I have already called attention to the difference between the two periods—for our study of Spiritual Science is more systematic than people usually imagine. One of these periods lies between birth and the point at which an individual's memory begins. If you follow your memories back, you reach a certain point beyond which they cease. You were already in existence then and may have heard from your parents or relatives about your doings; hence you have some knowledge of them but you yourself remember nothing beyond a certain point of time. Normal remembrance breaks off at this point, the most favourable age for which is somewhere about the third year of life. Before that point of time a child is highly impressionable. Just think how much is taken in during the first, second and third years of life; yet modern humanity has no remembrance at all of how the impressions were made.—Then follows the period through which the thread of memory runs continuously.
We must pay careful attention to these two periods of development for they are very important in human life as a whole. We must observe the development of the human being closely and accurately and avoid the prejudiced views of modern science. The facts of science confirm what I have to say, but we should not attach too much weight to biased views that deviate widely from the truth. Close observation of human development makes it evident that the life as an individual in society is conditioned by whatever forms part of the thread of memory which begins, approximately, in the third year. Within the span of this thread of memory lies every principle by which we consciously direct our life; it embraces whatever rules of conduct we consciously accept as worthy to be followed. Our Ego has no consciousness of what lies before this point; of that, nothing finds its way into the thread of our conscious life.
'In traditional iconic language, these aspects were conceived as “Heaven” and “Earth,” respectively.'
This is the first time I'd seen the Star of David as a cognitive quality: the hierogamy of Heaven and Earth. Well, that one passing remark is going to take some time to do its work! That to see and recognize is itself a union of concept and percept, of heaven and earth, of the spiritual and the sensual... A lot to consider here. I simply hadn't seen it in that might before. I probably should have but simply never did.
Well, I mean, it is going to be what it is in you perception, no doubt. For example, take biodynamics, which is a heaven to earthly engagement for the good of the earth. A perfect example of the six-pointed star, i.e., Star of David as two intersecting triangles. Future Philadelphia working as we speak. Yet, have confidence for it. I'm sure you do.
Jacob Boehme, the mystical shoemaker from Gorlitz, had a seminal experience of this type in the year 1600. While sitting at his kitchen table, around noon, the rays of the Sun glanced off a pewter dish right into his eye, and he experienced the entire "downward-tending generation of the trinity" in a mere fifteen minutes. From Ungrund to Grund; subject-object distinctions. This can be an experience for Initiates, and I doubt anyone denies that Jacob Boehme was hugely influential at the outset of the 17th century.
https://sunypress.edu/content/download/451024/5483993/version/1/file/9780791454756_imported2_excerpt.pdf
As we come now to more modern times, this experience occurs in early childhood. I can personally attest to that, and why I can add something to this discussion. Thus, it is fair and accurate to call it the experience of "Heaven and Earth", or the Son of God/Son of Man dichotomy.
In truth, it is about the bending of Light over the course of time since birth. The accommodation required for the inception of the earthly forces of mass, weight, gravity, heat, etc., make demands on Light, which begins to bend, or diffract, from its original diffusive state. Thus, Light reaches a kind of limit, called Resistance. Self-recognition begins. The Child of Humanity begins with a memory record.
Hmmmm. The Helen Keller quotes are hard to understand but it seems she was able however rudimentarily, to distinguish herself from what she was feeling- hot, cold, wet, hungry etc etc. It appears she also remembers that she was able to discern she herself was separate from the infect she wanted, in other words she was not warmth or the heat. I think early childhood studies are fascinating but the main focus seems to be on adults being able to direct and focus their thoughts today, yes? I do agree that there is clearly a battle being waged for our mind and our attention but I would hesitate to say we are losing the ability as to my way of thinking humanity could not be said to have the gift of free will unless it has the ability to also use that gift. Am I making sense? Sorry, obviously this is a perfect example here of some being given a larger portion of intellect than others but back to what I was trying to bring out that unless you can access and actually use the gift it can not be said to have been actually given. I don’t know a little shaky but let me explain how one of my earlier Pastors illustrated the gift of salvation - God hands it to you, unless you take it and receive it and live in it and believe it etc etc you do not have it. So to use that example then it seems to me that if God knows you are unable - totally different than not willing - if God knows you can not possibly grasp His hand to receive the gift He also knows He can’t then give it to you. If my child can’t swallow what is the point of putting food in their mouth ? They will only choke. Is that maybe what is meant by in the end sending them strong delusion. Okay enough for now going to get ready for Vespers. But really to truly be said to have free will must also be to have the ability to exercise it always
thank you, Holly. I'd like to think about what you wrote. Do you think ableness and willingness are the same then, or even that it is impossible for us to be unwilling, from God's perspective?
No I don’t think ableness and willingness are the same thing for example a child is very willing to walk be us unable until they have sufficient motor coordination. I am not sure about the second idea you mention is it impossible for us to be unwilling from God’s perspective. Mainly because it is impossible for me to have a complete understanding of God’s perspective. But perhaps using that same example of the child walking for the father to buy him a pair of cowboy boots( 🤠 I am in Texas after all! 😊) and give them to the child as a gift does imply that the Father is sure the child will one day walk. Perhaps we have been created with the potential to be willing and at some point either in time or outside of time Christ will complete His work in us and all Creation ….
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile!” 48 Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” 49 Nathanael answered Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel.” 50 Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.” John 1
“ In traditional iconic language, these aspects were conceived as “Heaven” and “Earth,” respectively.'
I never put that together either. It feels so big an idea. I have to sculpt on it a bit.
In other words, "Heaven" in the first three years of life, and "Earth" when memory begins?
Thank you for referencing your essay in this context. I will reread it together this one- my ‘ah ha’ is slowly in its way.
What a beautiful way to show appreciation, Cheryl. It is an art form, driven by Grace, which Max also conveys very well. We are in a position today to drive the center to fruition. This is the true oath of so-called, "Heart-Thinking". I know that *systematic adduction* sounds cold, but in reality, it is very warm. Opportunities abound when we expand the knowledge base. "Everything that rises must converge" - Flannery O'Connor.
It's sounds confusing now. Probably "the Garden," then "Exile," and finally, the promise of "the Heavenly City" is a better schema. Heaven and Earth seems to be synchronic and doesn't capture the diachronic dimensions of biography and civilization.
The Excellence of Love
13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13
What I am trying to do is draw attention to the Son of God and Son of Man dichotomy conveyed at the very outset of the Gospel of John. Chapter 1 ends with Nathanael, who has definite reservations about, "can anything good come from Nazareth". Christ tells him what he can expect. In chapter 2, we have the Mother of Jesus at the wedding, with the Love gift of the wine at the marriage ceremony. Christ says to her, "all right, I'll do it, but My Time has not yet come." Her Faith in saying, "whatever He says to do, do it", was 95% of the miracle.
Is birth in the world not the miracle of miracles? Son of God and Son of Man encompasses Heaven and Earth through the tunnel of Love. It forms the fundamental dichotomy in life.
Thanks, very much. I think about our early discussions about LSD, and a possible workshop on rhythmic consonance. Good stuff.
I'm confused by this comment
Grail Arts had asked about methodology somewhere awhile ago. These threads don't stack up very well when they get long. "LSD" was how I came to formulate the chapter on Etheric Regeneration. The inner frictional fire created by long-slow-distance running started in 1981 by the urging of an inner voice. The voice said: "Just Do It".
“Two periods of development, each very different from the other, are apparent in human life between birth and death in every incarnation. In various ways I have already called attention to the difference between the two periods—for our study of Spiritual Science is more systematic than people usually imagine. One of these periods lies between birth and the point at which an individual's memory begins. If you follow your memories back, you reach a certain point beyond which they cease. You were already in existence then and may have heard from your parents or relatives about your doings; hence you have some knowledge of them but you yourself remember nothing beyond a certain point of time. Normal remembrance breaks off at this point, the most favourable age for which is somewhere about the third year of life. Before that point of time a child is highly impressionable. Just think how much is taken in during the first, second and third years of life; yet modern humanity has no remembrance at all of how the impressions were made.—Then follows the period through which the thread of memory runs continuously.
We must pay careful attention to these two periods of development for they are very important in human life as a whole. We must observe the development of the human being closely and accurately and avoid the prejudiced views of modern science. The facts of science confirm what I have to say, but we should not attach too much weight to biased views that deviate widely from the truth. Close observation of human development makes it evident that the life as an individual in society is conditioned by whatever forms part of the thread of memory which begins, approximately, in the third year. Within the span of this thread of memory lies every principle by which we consciously direct our life; it embraces whatever rules of conduct we consciously accept as worthy to be followed. Our Ego has no consciousness of what lies before this point; of that, nothing finds its way into the thread of our conscious life.
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA124/English/RSP1985/19110116p02.html